i'm a union man and i know charlie is very fond of unions. we love unions, but we want people to have the right to choose whether or not they belong to a union. a clothes shop where they have to ha the union and i don't think that's freed, if you nt to join the union by all means, but to make it mandatory, that seems a bit harsh. >> neil: buthe unions are spinning it the other way in michigan, charles, what do y make of that? >> and ben makes the great point. the unions feel like their back has been against the walls and have for a number of years. in michigan, this is the way we can be competitive. listen, everyone talks about the great comeback in detro inheuto sector, that's a mirage. micgan's in trouble, detroit is in trouble and this is how they compete on the national scale, ultimately, a global cale. >> neil: dagen? >> very significant that this is happening and by the way, this is just the right to not have to pay union dues if you don't want to belong to a union first and foremost. >> neil: and you got that. >> very significant that